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Using Ian Paisley's speech to express your opinion? lol.

Its the bulldozing ignorant attitude which offends me - Of course I didn't mind Grey Adamn's speech, hes a politician in a Irish Civil Rights / Republican movement - you took a quote from Paisley! Gave no thought to the context, its like you googled Ireland No Surrender and used the first link which came up. It illustrates infuriating blind rhetoric... I'm not even being pernickety about it, Ian Paisley for Christ sake! Goes to show when you don't know what you're quoting, thankfully you did it here and not ingame - what drove you to use a video of Ian Pasisley?

I overview the goals set by the government and Dail - they're representatives of the country, so yeah.. the country. The origins of the tactics were not mine, those were the CPs - the reasoning the solid and it was presented to the political / military leaders of the country (lack of Dail at the time) who also agreed it was a good tactic, it was later explained in casual interactions with the Dail - its disputed by some members, but majority rules - and in most cases, citizens accept CP has more 'legitimacy' due to the increased difficultly of being elected to CP than Dail - but thats not a solid science and don't want to go into it.

You're first quote after I said publish your thoughts ingame, because the opinion pool here is too small to gauge wider opinion:

I then repeated reassurances that you were being paranoid - or questioned that you weren't paranoid, you simply don't have a solid argument to publish.  You then responded:

I said its a public forum - i.e. its open - its unsecure - if British were going to see it, they'd see it here or ingame regardless - I said if enough Irish people were moving to these forums in such numbers that you could gauge wider opinion, British eyes would follow the activity so the exercise of keeping it here was futile. You have skewed the words "Public form" is an attempt to undermine the argument, "Public forum" is a term to describe an open forum - not "The Public". 

Concede there is confusion between who you are referring too in armed conflict - I've been talking about Spain in terms of the mobile battles in Cork - you haven't addressed that tactic, other than talked about using attrition against the UK (which I agreed worked in wounding their pride, but not their resources - then went on to say why its unsustainable hence usable only over a short period - I never said it wouldn't work, because considering its the tactic which we used, it eventually did work - your conclusion of my response is incorrect). I then went on to say why it would be even more difficult with Spain, if not impossible. You continued to talk about the UK. 
The quote gives an idea of your own confusion, as "clever mechanisms" was being used on Spain - and not the UK. The mobile battles to keep Cork in UK hands had no bearing in the case of a UK conflict. The objective of winning was referring to Spain, and my argument has been focused on the tactical advantages of the set up.. against Spain. I will say again the tactical advantages of the UK holding Cork is an advantage for Ireland in the case of a Spanish invasion plan. Hammered out that misread.

Arjay's no.1 was continued attack on the UK to achieve and hope for an equal footing as you describe it. No.2 was to concede more than we would like in order to pursue more favorable conditions.  Perhaps re-read it? But given you haven't managed to dispute the tactical logic of the Cork set up, and gone on about the UK instead, I do dispute you believe we haven't came to agreement with them on "equal footing". Your argument suggests you assume us not holding all of our regions as a negative (poor stance to begin with..), hence we have "conceded" on UK's terms - when it fact, the tactical advantage of Cork in UK hands gives us a greater chance of success against a potential invasion by Spain than us owning all of our regions - which would say we haven't conceded, an ally of Spain has been used to block them to us, given the world state of affairs - the agreement is highly in our favour.

Returning to the original intent of this thread, it's been a slow week on the Congressional group mail. Today we were discussing the never-ending debate, should Ireland join CoT? It's more constructive than the last few days, which was basically Brian Boru and I going at each other pretty good, mostly over MrConway.

I wrote an article, it's #2 in the Irish newsfeed, basically asking anyone and everyone to chime in on Conway, to offer evidence to confirm if he's a thief and a traitor, and to argue in his defense. There's no court system, and I don't think Conway and his supporters particularly care what anyone else things. I did think, however, the snide comments and the nasty articles were making this whole thing worse than it had to be. I told Brian (since he is Conway's primary supporter) if he didn't call attention to this, I would. I've learned that bad blood like this doesn't just go away, like some would hope. In my grandfather's day, if there were tensions in a country where he was in leadership, he would write an article, have all parties chime in on the issue, and everyone would actually have to deal with it instead of just talk under their breath. In almost every case, the issue ended there and then, because constructive dialogue was established, people had to deal with one another, the pariah was seen as more human, and everyone let it go.

Will it happen here? I don't know, it's a different era, a different place, and there's people who REALLY don't like Conway. I'm on the record in saying I think Conway is a putz, and I'm really trying to leave it at that.

Well, apparently the big to-do today was the UK wanting the NE thing going again. Sweet explained it to be a ruse, perhaps tricking us to vote for it, then they back out as we approve it and say, hey, Ireland is the aggressor. I don't know about all that, I just know it was off the table when I came home today.

And just a quick reply Seanan. I have had dealings with a lot of Irish people - it seems like half your workforce is in Australia under 457 visas.
I dont find Irish people and blunter than Australians are. If I was to say anything I would say they are rather subtle and that is mirrored by Irish humour. Rudeness pretending to be bluntness is characteristic of individuals rather than nations.
I will be making a post about what Irelands stance should be - I suspect your view is that of a minority - we will see hey

One item that's been on the thread today is the potential rift between Spain and Serbia, and how that might create a rift within TWO. From what I've read in articles and on the thread, Spain is pissed at Serbia because Serbia is treating TWO like its own plaything, something superpowers tend to do when they get full of themselves. Spain feels, because they co-founded the alliance, Serbia should give them more respect.

Me, I love it. You have CoT with their backs against the wall and TWO decaying from the inside. I never get tired of saying that I hope the major alliances burn and die.