hat are some of the ways you feel an individual or small group can change this world?
For argument sake, why are people afraid of being wiped? From a retention standpoint, do you think more players stay when there is active, homeland war or do they stay when there is no threat? It's starting to seem to me that this country is a country that is fine with the status quo. I don't say that judgmentally as I know there are game mechanics and limits by way of the number of our active citizenry to deal with.
Mostly trying to figure out why I play this silly game
Post by siradrianoprette on Jul 2, 2013 21:32:46 GMT
When we are wiped for a sustained period of time the amount of citizens decreases, we were pushing on 600 citizens before the wipe, now we are down to under 500. if you look at other countries you see this trend as well.
Well I guess it depends on the type of wipe your nation has. If the UK comes in and wipes us for the heck of it then I can see Irishmen rallying to free Ireland. Our population could rise as a result.
If some other nation wipes us on the way through to another objective just because they can and we remain wiped for a substantial time then I can see population falling because after all the game is about nationalism.
"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military."
Smedley Butler
maryrobinson that is a good question, why are we here? I would suggest it will have a bit to do with how you arrived in eRep. Did you join the game & then as you progressed, find out about forums & IRC as aids to progressing? Or, were you a member of a community in IRC or similar & you heard about the game? How you arrived will place you in an ideological spectrum (according to my thinking) game first you could be described as a patriot. IRC first, as an illumanati, freemason whatever, you get the idea What do you actually want from eRep - more specifically eIreland? They are just lables I have used. I will do an article about it in game. And Seanan, OK you have proved that eIreland can never have any independance - looks like we just have to accept whatever the UK dishes out to us. Funny thing though, I originally chose Ireland because it did, that the community was prepared to fight. A different Ireland then it seemed
And yes, maryrobinson - why are nations afraid of being wiped? Personally the fact that my original country was wiped & kept wiped only made me want to fight harder. In fact most of my elife I have been a citizen of countries that were wiped by bigger ones - just makes one tougher I think. I cannot understand why people leave - I think it has less to de with the country doing the wiping & more to do with the behaviour of the wiped government
Post by Arjay Phoenician III on Jul 3, 2013 13:33:58 GMT
How do I believe an individual or a small, determined group of people can change this world? By presenting something new and different, something that is rarely tried, something that may catch on. By presenting themselves as honorable, hardworking, and dedicated. In this world, game mechanics have been thoroughly exploited, the armed forces of major countries are way too powerful, and the political elites are far too entrenched for people of conscience to battle them on THEIR playing field. A different style of play that doesn't necessarily equate to success on the battlefield but brings more personal satisfaction can alter this world. It's not a matter of convincing people that there's another way to play, it's just a matter of playing our own game and letting the chips fall where they may.
As for being wiped, for a country like Ireland, which has always been played with a small population and aggressive neighbors, I think we've just considered it part of daily life here. It's going to happen. We've oscillated between two viewpoints:
1. Stave off the inevitable by being diplomatic, and 2. Knowing it's inevitable, spit into the wind and give the enemy holy hell.
Neither lasts very long. #2 dooms us immediately, and #1 dooms us because the more pugnacious among us consider this an act of kissing ass.
So, at this point, being occasionally wiped is just par for the course in Ireland. I don't think we ever passively accept it, but if it happens, we know life goes on.
“I like it when a flower or a little tuft of grass grows through a crack in the concrete. It's so fuckin' heroic.”
― George Carlin
Well said, Arjay; the analysis of 1 and 2 is condensed wisdom, an accurate portrayal of circumstances (albeit skeptical). Boudicca take note ^ you fit in that, I'd also add the comment about "Independence from the UK" is very ironic... well I could give you a brief history of Ireland and the attitude of resistance which was born from it, but I think pointing out the whole idea of standing in the middle of field, wearing brightly coloured jackets, beating the drums and getting shot at is most certainly not Irish warfare and rl Ireland wouldn't be free today if it was - eIreland survives by cunning on the battlefield (or leading to it), popular phase "when irish eyes are smiling they're usually up to something". Point 2 of Arjay is bit skeptical, but it illustrates a pathway which gives us room to breath and improve our presence in the New World.
I agree with what you say Arjay. In fact my approach would be option 2. It does not doom us as everything is cyclical. Other factors will always intervene & we can always wriggle out from occupation when these happen. Option 1 does doom us, I am convinced players get very sick of playing a browser game where they play the part of servants, so they vote with their feet. I don't follow what you want me to take note of Seanan. I am wondering if you have not understood my position, or maybe I have not stated it clearly. So restating The only long term solution for both the UK & Ireland is a union - or maybe better expressed, a close alliance of equals. The equality is the key. Both countries would benefit greatly if they would only accept this. Of Arjay's well stated options, the UK would love it if we accepted option 1. Not only would it make things easier for them - it would guarantee that Ireland would always stay weak & pointless as the more aggressive players would get very sick of things & leave, (maybe even joining the UK like that player a couple of days back - huge damage for Ireland & so irritated with us that his future damage will be directed against us now)
Option 2 is our only choice - immediate effect would be occupation (meh!) but we have the ability to lock the UK into an everlasting dance with us. I do not mean pointless continuous RWs (I have no doubt that a lot of RWs are started by th UK at a time convenient for them), I mean an all out RW the moment the UK attempts any other inatiative. I have no doubt that they will get sick of it before we do.
The end effect is to stop them taking us for granted & treat us as equals. Only then is there a chance for a proper solution. That is my philosophy. ------------- As for standing around in brightly coloured jackets getting shot at not being Irish warfare, sadly many many Irish did exactly that - though as members of British armies. Ireland being free? well that is a matter of philosophy it has been free since 1920, except for those northern counties. The oppression of Ireland has been mainly sectarian (with the UK in the backgeround pulling strings mainly)
Post by siradrianoprette on Jul 4, 2013 10:02:19 GMT
Going into a war with them would be pointless, we have to spend tens of thousands to win back a single region while they rely on the support of their allies. They won't get bored before we do because they will pretty much always win because of TWO's damage, so not only would our allies get bored of trying to get us out of shit but we would inevitably bankrupt ourselves trying to win a war with which we have no reason to fight in because there was no cause. These people you talk of leaving Ireland for the UK actually did so because we went to war with the UK ruining our relationship which we had with them before the war.
Not that lot, the player a day or so back, I did not record his name & now cannot find him. Name started with Ro? His av was the front view of what looked like a gatling gun. You are talking of Conway, Marcus Suderius etc. I haven't got anything to say about them.
We would not have to win back a region - just make them contest it. With RWs the only way their allies could help is to move to the area being contested. But you know this already.
I guess whether we resist or collabarate - it just depends on what priorities we consider important.
I agree with Pete, war with the UK is silly and pointless. Everytime we went to war with the UK it always ended in a long term wipe and our population has suffered a massive decline because of it. It's not worth the consquences anymore.
So, what do you actually want? What are you prepared to accept? And do you really expect that the population of Ireland will bounce back under your plan (whatever it is). And, I wonder how big a following you have, it would be really good to see it explained publically. I would be able to get a feel then if I am out of step with the Irish community. As for my approach to a second rate peace with the UK. - hey I will the Rev Ian Paisley say it for me, just the last few seconds
eIreland's best hope is to downplay our conflict with the eUK, while never forgetting the reality of the threat we face from them and more importantly the FA consequences of our long standing feud. Current agreements will fade in time, and at this point the "truths" of who fired first or who stabbed who in the back first are irrelevant.
To the extent that we have to live with it, the eIre/eUK conflict is better looked at through the eyes of the eUK. eIreland is destined to be much weaker in numbers and allies unless there is a fundamental upheaval in world FA. The eUK would simply rather dedicate their forces and efforts to key conflicts in the world than to a local conflict with eIreland. Why? Not because eIreland is a force to be reckoned with (though pound for pound we do pack a punch), but because unlike us they are true International players with commanding influence over this game's largest and most powerful alliance. They know that allowing us to become a distraction risks losing their position in the world, a position that exceeds what a nation of their size and strength can take for granted.
They'll bully us enough to sooth their egos and reassure the world that they are a secure seat of power, but only when we call either of those things into question - or when they go through certain phases of fanaticism for whatever reason (more rarely), not unlike our own.
Ultimately, eIreland needs to take a page out of the eUK's book - use the fact that we speak english, and can be well organized and competent to our advantage. Whatever soft strings we have to pull we need to do so masterfully in order to raise our standing in the world - forget about the eUK and take time for the sake of elevating eIreland's standing in the world. My ultimate dream for eIreland is that we might play this game on the alliance level rather than just the national one.
My ultimate dream for our citizens is that we provide the tools and inspiration for everyone to actually enjoy this game and get on with each other - and share that dream of an eIreland that rides the waves rather than ducking under them.
So, what do you actually want? What are you prepared to accept? And do you really expect that the population of Ireland will bounce back under your plan (whatever it is). And, I wonder how big a following you have, it would be really good to see it explained publically. I would be able to get a feel then if I am out of step with the Irish community. As for my approach to a second rate peace with the UK. - hey I will the Rev Ian Paisley say it for me, just the last few seconds
Trolling or ignorant of using an orange scumbag to express your point? Now that is out of step with the Irish community.
Now which Irish community would that be then Seanan? Seemed to be a good number of people the Rev Ian Paisley was addressing? Would you have been happier with this one?
In his own way Gerry Adams was saying the same thing.
You want a united Ireland you have to accept the orange with the green. That was the point of the Irish flag.
Anyway we both know I was not trolling, your response was a pretty good way to ignore my questions I think. ---------- Your post was pretty good Anonymous.Generally I agree with it "They know that allowing us to become a distraction risks losing their position in the world, a position that exceeds what a nation of their size and strength can take for granted" Pretty much in line with what I was saying - we cannot match them but we can maybe aggravate them enough for concessions.