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Coleman
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Immigration Jul 2, 2013 20:04:12 GMT

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Post by Coleman on Jul 2, 2013 20:04:12 GMT

Let's talk about Immigration.

Game Mechanics:
Each congress member has the ability to accept 1 citizenship application from this form here:
www.erepublik.com/en/country/Ireland/citizenship/applications/1

History:
In the past there has sometimes been a Ministry of Immigration whose concern was the issue of granting citizenships.

In its latest form the Ministry of Immigration was three individuals appointed by the Cp. The method of discriminating between applicants aside, in order for a applicant to be accepted 2/3 Immigration officials would need to sign off on him.

Information on who was accepted by the MoI was then relayed to congress for a free acceptence to be used on the applicants who were OK'd.

Discussion:
Is an MoI a good idea, what are the positives and negatives? Should we have an MoI?

Last Edit: Jul 3, 2013 17:09:52 GMT by Coleman

maryrobinson Freshman Posts: 6	Immigration Jul 2, 2013 20:41:39 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by maryrobinson on Jul 2, 2013 20:41:39 GMT Have there been instances where congress members approved a citizen without MoI approval? Seems the MoI is a good idea in theory. Any issues of enforcement?

siradrianoprette
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Immigration Jul 2, 2013 21:29:38 GMT

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Post by siradrianoprette on Jul 2, 2013 21:29:38 GMT

Yes there have been issues of enforcement in the past, but generally I find a MoI a good idea because it means that junior congressman are more likely to use their cs pass and they are also going to use it on a good candidate rather than a bad one. A major draw back on MoI is that it can be used as gaining political power by accepting people who you think will join your party while rejecting those who you know won't join your party.

Anthony Colby
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Immigration Jul 2, 2013 23:55:59 GMT

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Post by Anthony Colby on Jul 2, 2013 23:55:59 GMT

I still think the MoI is a good idea. There have been instances in the past when TDs let in friends or known enemies of the nation just to prove a point.
I can see someone who is trying to get in to Ireland waiting till the last minute and then asking a TD who is new to Congress and the game to let them in. Sympathy can make you make a bad decision if you are not used to the game or how people can manipulate the process.

I kind of like the idea of the three member team. Maybe one person could be chosen by the Dail though or maybe each person should be from a different party?

But over all the idea is sound in my opinion.

"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military."
Smedley Butler

ianarbuckle
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Immigration Jul 3, 2013 7:45:45 GMT

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Post by ianarbuckle on Jul 3, 2013 7:45:45 GMT

Personally I think the duties of the MoI can be covered by the CP and MoFA who have a wider knowledge of the outside world and will be able to spot any potential PTO attempt. I always found having a MoI to be too controversial and I feel it can be handled better by the CP and MoFA.

Seanan
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Immigration Jul 3, 2013 16:56:18 GMT

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Post by Seanan on Jul 3, 2013 16:56:18 GMT

I think career politicians are often the bane of MoI - you know, when my party is in government "Dail members shouldn't go avoid their station! Respect the democratically elected Government's instructions" and when my party isn't in government "The Dail are representatives of the people! We have a right to exercise our will". Seasoned politicians will let in whoever they like for political gain (be it a voter or too cause rife), whilst young Dail members will let in players out of ignorance - we probably need a Minister looking after younger Dail members, and a gentleman's agreement between major parties about blocking criteria which they all can agree on (such as the "NO MU, clear to enter" policy - improving Irish military capabilities is more agreeable than maintaining a fair political playing field).

wolf29c
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Immigration Jul 6, 2013 7:48:47 GMT

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Post by wolf29c on Jul 6, 2013 7:48:47 GMT

I think a MoI is a good idea, that way nobody can just let in somebody for whatever reason. It also helps keep enemies away, if somehow a spy managed to get into the Dail. Honestly, I think the whole "No MU, clear to enter" policy needs some work though. For example, what if there was an international MU, but based in a foreign country? Or if they were in an MU from an allied nation?

fulgrant
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Immigration Jul 25, 2013 8:24:39 GMT

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Post by fulgrant on Jul 25, 2013 8:24:39 GMT

I personally think it is good to have such a ministry. In particular, the idea of having a 3 man ministry appeals to me. As has been said, I think that 1 member could come from the government, 1 could be chosen from the second largest party or by popular vote, and one could come from the Dail. That way we could ensure a fairer process in admitting people. The same 2/3 principle for admittance would apply.

Anthony Colby
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Immigration Jul 31, 2013 23:17:22 GMT

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Post by Anthony Colby on Jul 31, 2013 23:17:22 GMT

Well recently Congress chose to have a "no MU" policy for immigration approval meaning if you belonged to a foreign MU we would not let you in. Now with the changes to MUs that allow you to join any MU in any nation that policy will go out the window.

"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military."
Smedley Butler

Coleman Freshman Posts: 20	Immigration Jul 31, 2013 23:24:17 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Coleman on Jul 31, 2013 23:24:17 GMT Tbh I didn't understand that policy in the first place. Anytime anyone tried to explain it my eyes just glazed over.

Anthony Colby Administrator Irish University Administrator Individualist Posts: 100	Immigration Jul 31, 2013 23:36:51 GMT Quote Select Post Deselect Post Link to Post Member Give Gift Back to Top Post by Anthony Colby on Jul 31, 2013 23:36:51 GMT Jul 31, 2013 23:24:17 GMT Coleman said: Tbh I didn't understand that policy in the first place. Anytime anyone tried to explain it my eyes just glazed over. Well I think it was an attempt to get more fighters in Irish MUs.
	"My mental faculties remained in suspended animation while I obeyed the orders of the higher-ups. This is typical with everyone in the military." Smedley Butler

Wolfie
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Immigration Aug 3, 2013 10:32:28 GMT

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Post by Wolfie on Aug 3, 2013 10:32:28 GMT

The MoIm was always a good idea and it was frequently cross party so one clique didn't gain an advantage (not always, though). The problem was sometimes the speed of communication with the Dáil and the lack of any enforcement. As for the "no MU" suggestion, I always had a problem with that as I'd much prefer to see a background check and I can't usually be arsed to do that myself.

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Post by Coleman on Jul 2, 2013 20:04:12 GMT

Post by maryrobinson on Jul 2, 2013 20:41:39 GMT

Post by siradrianoprette on Jul 2, 2013 21:29:38 GMT

Post by Anthony Colby on Jul 2, 2013 23:55:59 GMT

Post by ianarbuckle on Jul 3, 2013 7:45:45 GMT

Post by Seanan on Jul 3, 2013 16:56:18 GMT

Post by wolf29c on Jul 6, 2013 7:48:47 GMT

Post by fulgrant on Jul 25, 2013 8:24:39 GMT

Post by Anthony Colby on Jul 31, 2013 23:17:22 GMT

Post by Coleman on Jul 31, 2013 23:24:17 GMT

Post by Anthony Colby on Jul 31, 2013 23:36:51 GMT

Post by Wolfie on Aug 3, 2013 10:32:28 GMT

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